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“ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — The Pakistani police arrested 25 people in a rural village on Thursday, after the village council ordered a man to rape a teenage girl publicly to avenge the sexual assault of his sister.
This month the council told Mohammad Ashfaq, 20, to rape the 16-year-old girl after Mr. Ashfaq’s family accused her brother of raping Mr. Ashfaq’s 12-year-old sister, the police said.
The case was brought to the attention of the police in Punjab Province after the 16-year-old’s mother reported that Mr. Ashfaq had carried out the rape on July 18 in Muzaffarabad, a village near the city of Multan.
Some members of the council were present at the time of the rape, according to a complaint that the girl’s mother filed with the police.
The so-called honor rape, or vengeance rape, occurred after the council ruled that the rape of a minor family member was a fair punishment for the suspected rape of the 12-year-old.”
Read more here: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/27/world/asia/pakistan-girl-rape-council-arrest.html
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Inbred, backwater Chistians won't sell you a cake and will laugh through their one tooth at you if they disagree with you. Muslims will scream like banshees on acid and remove your head from your shoulders if they disagree with you.
"Not all Muslims" you say? Well certainly enough of them.
This is *ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING* what they did to this little girl, and if you don't think so, you're a disgusting person. This is not open for debate, this is a fact. >:T I'm glad every single one of those people got arrested and I hope they rot in prison.
US not much better! In the US, teen girls are either raped or coerced by older "boys" (statutory rape) and 200K teen girls are forced to marry these men b/c of family. End child marriage in the US. Press your local gov to raise the age of marriage in the US from TWELVE to 18. This is a SICK part of US culture and the Catholic "church" is lobbying against it b/c they are complicit and admitted they'd be bankrupted by lawsuits! See the NJ church leader interview for that..
It's completely fucked up logic, but Cenk and Ana are not seeing what this fucked up ruling is about. The rapist raped somebody's sister, so the punishment for him is that his sister gets raped. In Pakistan, a girl getting raped brings dishonor on her family. So the original raped girl's brother got shamed, so now he gets to shame the original rapist by raping that guy's sister. It's hideous, but that's the idea.
@TYT I'm surprised you completely missed the point here. The local council had no interest in the raped woman or her feelings, or the feelings of the woman they raped in turn. This was not about the woman being at fault. The crime was not rape, but dishonoring the family. The man dishonored family X, so the punishment was to have the man's family dishonored. This is part of the honor killing culture; life, identify, individual rights, and so forth are not significant parts of the culture. If anything, the problem is far deeper than you appear to have understood.
this a horrific story! it is sickening in every way. however, it is also sickening all the racism and bigotry against all muslims because of something positively anti-islamic. it is stated in the Quran clearly that no transgression by one person could be blamed on another . this is an outrageous rural south Asian tradition or custom that should not only be condemned but dealt with firm secular law banning that prohibits any repeat of such a haneous act of it, in all religions.
TO ALL THE PEOPLE TAKING THE OPPORTUNITY TO VILIFY ISLAM AND MUSLIMS
the banks your tax money bailed out while ignoring homeowners and students has about 00.00% muslims owners keep that in mind while youre a debt slave to israel
omg indians are crazy ... cant they just do a shot gun wedding like normal people?
@2:25 you guys blame religion but ignore the fact from asia to albania there are family feuds that have lasted centuries going on to this day... credo eye for an eye.
kids growing up in total isolation out of fear is norm but you guys rather do halfassed assessments as if sociologists smh fake news
It's easy to tell others what to do even during the days when Jesus walked the Earth and remember how the people caught the woman in a sexual crime then brought her to Jesus to approvce of the judgement to stone her to death Hoever Jesus quietly remenbered each of them of their sins and now that the shoe is on the other foot that justice against that young lady wasn't as important as they made it out to be.
how on earth this is about Islam? if it is Pakistani "culture" that doesn't mean that Muslims from any other country ( with its own unique culture) would support this ugly behavior. and I'm sure that even in Pakistan a lot of people are disgust of this type of news...
It also shows that the barbarians only see the girl as a commodity. This boy took a commodity from another family, a virgin girl, so we will take something from another family, a virgin girl. It's sick.
Ana and Cenk don't get that raping the sister makes her dirty in the villages eyes, and her brother has to look at her everyday and see how badly she gets treated, and know that he is the cause of her suffering and the likelihood of her being shunned. It's probably a worse punishment than going to jail for a while.
please save us from this stupid coment on this horrobile act!!!! that
was because of tradition there not because of they were muslim. I am
sick and tierd of this stupid ass World in it stupids do and the others
respond by blaming religion, the problem is ignorance not religion
But I thought white people are the source of all evil. Why isn't TYT blaming this on whites? What the hell? This is racist against Muslims. Never forget that white people forced them to be savages because colonization, or something!
Human societies have not progressed evenly all across the planet. In some parts of the world and among some communities it is still 2000 BC or even 10000 BC. Also the problem here is tribal mentality. They do not see people as individuals, you are defined by the tribe, or clan you belong to. The sister is not considered a separate person from her brother. This is how they see it: Family A damaged Family B and so the same type of damage should happen to family A.
I don't put the odd random nasty comment on a Youtube video in the same league as either ruling the actual rape of an innocent person, or the state actually executing a mentally handicapped person as punishment for what they do not have culpability for doing.
So you don't talk about the part where the police arrested them. It is clearly illegal and a punishable offense in Pakistan.
When rapes happen in the US, people are arrested for it. The same happened here.
Pakistan is just a backward shit hell. the culture of central Asian Muslim countries such as Pakistan and Afganistan are not indicative of all Muslim countries. as an Isreali Atheist Jew, i have no incentive to defend Islam, but such things don't happen in my 'neighborhood', things like that don't happen in any of the Muslim majority countries that share a border with Israel, with ISIL in Syria as the only exception...most Muslims are not savages, they do not condone such behavior
this behavior is not indicative of all Muslim nations, it would be the same as examining the behavior and culture of white trash hicks in Mississippi resp[resent all Americans.
has it crossed your mind a 15 year old boy having sex with a rival families daughter in a village without permission might be what they consider rape. Kind of lime our Statutory Rape laws. It may have been a consensual relationship being condemned by law. so I think the arrangement to appease the grievance was a civil social reciprocity ordered. The fact they supervised the act may be to ensure no unholy acts are committed. basically if your daughter has her virginity taken they lose value for arranged marriages. the restitution may have been to soil the boys family daughter. village laws are old and weird but I would be cautious is assuming the story factual. think who might even be involved that would have reported this to news or police outside of the village? was it one of the families involved. because the complaining family would have accepted the verdict as fair. the family with the son doesn't benefit since he would surely be charged for the initial rape accusation. none of the council members would expose themselves. so could this be an old anecdote someone heard of later and being an outsider and appalled by the story reported it as a concerned citizen? I don't know. these international stories get tricky to trust or validate. we don't have enough culture education to view them without our American bias.
You guys don't understand. They raped the 16 years old sister of the rapists because they think the rapist destroyed the 12 year old's family honor, and so they have to destroy the honor of the other family by raping their girl! They see women as the honor of the family (not in a good way), if the woman does something or even gets raped, that means she dishonored her family. That's why they ruled to have the girl raped instead of punishing the rapist.
Tl; dr: Bunch of apes trying to figure out what justice is.
That is supposed lame justification. What really happened is a bunch of dudes just had to hear about a young girl being raped, they wanted to see it, so they ordered it to happen again where they could watch, but they wanted one slightly older, because they aren't "savages"
Hey - Cenk I don't think it's part of my culture, you only hurt my feelings by calling it my culture. This is a crime by horny perverts, nothing else and should be punished to the fullest and all society should condemn this.
In tribal societies, women are concerned he 'honor; of the family.One boy hurt the 'honor' of another family by raping one of their women.So 'justice' demands that the accused family's girl gets raped.Again all of this is against Islam; there is no concept of The Sins of The Father stuff.
This is nearly as bad as long term rape practised by Austrian Josef Fritzl, Americans: Phillip Garrido, Ariel Castro, Germans: Detlef S, Adolf Bergbauer, Scottish: John , Australian: unnamed fritzl. Even if those long term rapers practised for more than 10 years each, no wait i regard revenge rape worse because it is indiscriminate
3:10 I don't think they were blaming the girl. Rather I think it was more of an eye for an eye, or girl's rape for a girl's rape. I see how the decision was made although I don't approve or think it was appropriate.
"This council" - I think this council is a "Sharia council". Part of the governing system of Islam. A religion that the young turks frequently tell us is wonderful. "Stuck in the stone age". Entirely correct. The Islamic religion certainly is stuck in its barbaric past.
So tell me what does the Islamic religion call it when you dont tell the whole story?
The Hadith makes it clear that Muslims are allowed to lie to unbelievers in order to defeat them or protect themselves. There are several forms:
Kitman - Lying by omission. An example would be when Muslim apologists quote only a fragment of verse 5:32
(that if anyone kills "it shall be as if he had killed all mankind") while neglecting to mention that the rest of the verse (and the next) mandate murder in undefined cases of "corruption" and "mischief."
Taqiyya - Saying something that isn't true as it relates to the Muslim identity.
Tawriya - Intentionally creating a false impression.
Muruna - 'Blending in' by setting aside some practices of Islam or Sharia in order to advance others.
Kitman - Ommision of the fact that this revenge rape was probably ordered by those in that village that enforce Sharia.
Taqiyya - Your making out that maltreatment of women isn't part of Islamic culture.
Tawriya - Your creating the impression that this maltreatment of women is how "they" may have done things in the past. Not of course, how they do things now.
Muruna - You are setting aside the absolute abominable way Islam treats women in order to make other Islamic practices seem more palatable.
The young Turks. Liars for Islam.
Morals are pretty obvious... nevertheless, what weight does a "council ruling" has as a law? I know, I must sound as a bastard for even making the question, but given that said community is pretty messed up for actually "solving" issues in such a Hammurabian way, IT IS THE LAW which must change first.
Just a nuance : we do not really know how elders in that village would have judged 100 years ago. We could be surprised.
Just an example : in Saudi Arabia, it is told by older women that they use to have much more power and rights about 35 years ago, but the present day theocrats and regime will deny it ever was. So what is really the tradition, or rather the traditions that changed a number of times over the centuries, is often unknown.
I think we need more of this peaceful culture in the West! Let's become more diverse! Religion of peace my a$$! With the growing Pakistani community one can see why the number if acid attacks are soaring in the UK.
Why are people saying that this has any basis in Islam, this has absolutely nothing to do with religion, like at all. This is just backwards, disgusting, cultural crap. So take your misinformed bigotry somewhere else.
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